October 18, 2016
I don't want to sound like a negative Nancy but where's the picture, where's the image, where's your reported proof NASA?
On September 14, 2016 NASA announced, definitively that they had solved the riddle of the tholin on the north pole of Charon.
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“This study solves one of the greatest mysteries we found on Charon, Pluto’s giant moon,” said Alan Stern, New Horizons principal investigator from the Southwest Research Institute, and a study co-author."
It's now considered a fact that tholin on Charon's north pole occurs via cold trapping just like they originally speculated since they have now been able to create a model supporting the concept. Their definitive proof comes from the fact they can see the same effect on the south pole which proves their model. If there is tholin on the south pole, that goes a long way towards supporting their premise and I will have to consider retracting my impact theory but I have questions.
NASA Quote
Sunlight further irradiates those leftovers into reddish material – called tholins – that has slowly accumulated on Charon’s poles over millions of years. New Horizons’ observations of Charon’s other pole, currently in winter darkness – and seen by New Horizons only by light reflecting from Pluto, or “Pluto-shine” – confirmed that the same activity was occurring at both poles.
“The methane molecules bounce around on Charon's surface until they either escape back into space or land on the cold pole, where they freeze solid, forming a thin coating of methane ice that lasts until sunlight comes back in the spring,” Grundy said. But while the methane ice quickly sublimates away, the heavier hydrocarbons created from it remain on the surface.
The models also suggested that in Charon’s springtime the returning sunlight triggers conversion of the frozen methane back into gas. But while the methane ice quickly sublimates away, the heavier hydrocarbons created from this evaporative process remain on the surface.
Let me condense it for you.
Methane from Pluto is deposited on Charon's poles, it freezes during that pole's winter then sublimates away in the spring leaving behind heavier hydrocarbon based tholin, Pluto-shine or light bouncing off Pluto and illuminating Charon's south pole was used to prove their modeled concept.
My first question is this then. Where's the image of the proof. If reflected light from Pluto (seen by New Horizons) was used to confirm the existence of tholin on Charon's south pole, where's the image?
If I had an image that proved and validated a model which was designed to support a previously proposed speculation, the first thing I'd do is post the image to the world. Here it is world, "PROOF" we are correct! Where's this image that proves this theory?
I'm not saying anyone is lying here but where's the image, where's the proof? Instead NASA post's the same old image of Charon we've seen many times before. Where is this image of the south pole illuminated by Pluto-shine proving tholin exist on the south pole? This is the only released image by NASA while saying the south pole has tholin like the north pole, take a close look at this image. Even though some of the south pole is in darkness not all of it is. If tholin were collecting atmospherically around the south pole wouldn't we see some evidence of it in this image. Look at the south pole area it's completely grayish
On September 14, 2016 NASA announced, definitively that they had solved the riddle of the tholin on the north pole of Charon.
Quote
“This study solves one of the greatest mysteries we found on Charon, Pluto’s giant moon,” said Alan Stern, New Horizons principal investigator from the Southwest Research Institute, and a study co-author."
It's now considered a fact that tholin on Charon's north pole occurs via cold trapping just like they originally speculated since they have now been able to create a model supporting the concept. Their definitive proof comes from the fact they can see the same effect on the south pole which proves their model. If there is tholin on the south pole, that goes a long way towards supporting their premise and I will have to consider retracting my impact theory but I have questions.
NASA Quote
Sunlight further irradiates those leftovers into reddish material – called tholins – that has slowly accumulated on Charon’s poles over millions of years. New Horizons’ observations of Charon’s other pole, currently in winter darkness – and seen by New Horizons only by light reflecting from Pluto, or “Pluto-shine” – confirmed that the same activity was occurring at both poles.
“The methane molecules bounce around on Charon's surface until they either escape back into space or land on the cold pole, where they freeze solid, forming a thin coating of methane ice that lasts until sunlight comes back in the spring,” Grundy said. But while the methane ice quickly sublimates away, the heavier hydrocarbons created from it remain on the surface.
The models also suggested that in Charon’s springtime the returning sunlight triggers conversion of the frozen methane back into gas. But while the methane ice quickly sublimates away, the heavier hydrocarbons created from this evaporative process remain on the surface.
Let me condense it for you.
Methane from Pluto is deposited on Charon's poles, it freezes during that pole's winter then sublimates away in the spring leaving behind heavier hydrocarbon based tholin, Pluto-shine or light bouncing off Pluto and illuminating Charon's south pole was used to prove their modeled concept.
My first question is this then. Where's the image of the proof. If reflected light from Pluto (seen by New Horizons) was used to confirm the existence of tholin on Charon's south pole, where's the image?
If I had an image that proved and validated a model which was designed to support a previously proposed speculation, the first thing I'd do is post the image to the world. Here it is world, "PROOF" we are correct! Where's this image that proves this theory?
I'm not saying anyone is lying here but where's the image, where's the proof? Instead NASA post's the same old image of Charon we've seen many times before. Where is this image of the south pole illuminated by Pluto-shine proving tholin exist on the south pole? This is the only released image by NASA while saying the south pole has tholin like the north pole, take a close look at this image. Even though some of the south pole is in darkness not all of it is. If tholin were collecting atmospherically around the south pole wouldn't we see some evidence of it in this image. Look at the south pole area it's completely grayish
The next natural question that comes to mind is this.
If the south pole is visible via Pluto-shine (seen by New Horizons) and NASA has evidence of tholin on it then since it is in its winter years wouldn't there be frozen frosty methane on the south pole covering the tholin, after all that's what their model suggest. If Charon's north pole is frost free then it must be in its non frozen methane stage, therefore, the south pole is in its frozen methane stage. Instead of seeing tholin on the south pole NASA should have seen methane snow or frost but they didn't indicate that was the case.
They simply infer the mystery image supports their model. Actually their words are much more carefully crafted they never really say there is an image, their clever articulation is something marvelous to behold using phrases like "New Horizons’ observations – and seen by New Horizons confirmed the activity"
Again, I'm not saying anyone is lying but something smells fishy.
Something is rotten in Denmark as Shakespeare said.
Show us the image of the south pole.
Show us this "proof" NASA.
Another thought that jumps to mind is this.
The north pole of Pluto has white methane frost or snow on it with tholin depositing atmospherically on top of that frost or snow layer. Wouldn't the same sort of process display itself on Charon if Pluto's atmosphere was being deposited on Charon since their poles are aligned? On Pluto the white methane frost snows down atmospherically and is dispersed evenly around the northern latitudes while the orange tholin is thickest on mountain tops as it appears to accumulate on the highest elevated terrain. On Charon the tholin is darkest at its lowest elevations deep down inside the crater walls while the elevated rim is lighter and the tholin has an irregular dispersal pattern.
Something smells fishy here.
Until I see the proof, I'm sticking with my Mordor impact theory.
Just look at that big irregular shaped divot on the north pole of Charon and unevenly distributed tholin.
If the south pole is visible via Pluto-shine (seen by New Horizons) and NASA has evidence of tholin on it then since it is in its winter years wouldn't there be frozen frosty methane on the south pole covering the tholin, after all that's what their model suggest. If Charon's north pole is frost free then it must be in its non frozen methane stage, therefore, the south pole is in its frozen methane stage. Instead of seeing tholin on the south pole NASA should have seen methane snow or frost but they didn't indicate that was the case.
They simply infer the mystery image supports their model. Actually their words are much more carefully crafted they never really say there is an image, their clever articulation is something marvelous to behold using phrases like "New Horizons’ observations – and seen by New Horizons confirmed the activity"
Again, I'm not saying anyone is lying but something smells fishy.
Something is rotten in Denmark as Shakespeare said.
Show us the image of the south pole.
Show us this "proof" NASA.
Another thought that jumps to mind is this.
The north pole of Pluto has white methane frost or snow on it with tholin depositing atmospherically on top of that frost or snow layer. Wouldn't the same sort of process display itself on Charon if Pluto's atmosphere was being deposited on Charon since their poles are aligned? On Pluto the white methane frost snows down atmospherically and is dispersed evenly around the northern latitudes while the orange tholin is thickest on mountain tops as it appears to accumulate on the highest elevated terrain. On Charon the tholin is darkest at its lowest elevations deep down inside the crater walls while the elevated rim is lighter and the tholin has an irregular dispersal pattern.
Something smells fishy here.
Until I see the proof, I'm sticking with my Mordor impact theory.
Just look at that big irregular shaped divot on the north pole of Charon and unevenly distributed tholin.
Look at this raised ridge (right side of image) along the left side of Mordor's rim.
This is a closeup of the raised rim look at the concentric rings that line the inside of the rim. I see about 3 or 4 rings similar to waves which appear to have formed as the material was pushed up and out during an impact.
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Impact craters come in all shapes and sizes but two repeated features are rings on the rim and a central round area that is either raised or outlined in some way.
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This is not an impact site?
Take note of how there's a central egg shaped depression at the heart of Mordor
outlined by a lightly colored raised rim containing darker deposits of tholin within,
then there is the larger impact basin with its raised rim with concentric rings along the NW wall.
Look at the below image.
Why would tholin deposited as atmospheric snow have such an uneven distribution.
In this image, you can see how the central crater is dark then off to the left there is a much lighter looking distribution of tholin then the central part below the impact crater has little to no tholin as does the right side. I'm suggesting two tholin covered objects hit Charon, one directly on the north pole the other hit around eleven o-clock. I will concede that I'm wrong if NASA produces an image showing tholin on the south pole.
Impacts would distribute tholin unevenly but atmospheric cold trapping should have a more even dispersal pattern of tholin.
You may be able to surmise, I'm still not on board with this cold trapping model.
There's one easy way to shut me up, show me the image of the south pole with tholin and frost, then I may concede. Maybe not.
How can anyone ignore that impact basin? It's like a giant bulls eye.
Images like this make me question my basic premise, change the angle, the perspective, the shading and things look different.
From this angle it is difficult to imagine Mordor as an impact site but not so difficult to imagine NASA's model where Pluto's methane is snowing down onto the North pole (even if the distribution is somewhat irregular).
Embrace the confusion.
This is why I'd like to see the evidence, the proof, the image of the south pole with tholin on it.
Taking another look at the above image and drawing some outlines of raised ridges along with splatter pattern this is what I see. This still appears to be an impact site even from this viewing angle. There is an obvious egg shaped ridge line in the center followed by another larger raised ridge. These ridges have rings along the edges (north direction of this image) this is suggestive evidence land ice was pushed in this direction. Then there is the blue outer dust debris field spraying off toward the top of this image. There is a smaller impact outlined in red that is covering over part of the primary red tholin impact. The shape of the raised ridges, the pushed up ringed land ice and the direction of tholin splatter all point to this being an impact that was traveling from the lower portion of this picture to the upper portion at a slight diagonal to the right.
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While it may be close to but not as obvious as the nose on your face, the nose still knows.
Show your proof NASA, if it exist, it should be plane for anyone to see. You don't need a mathematically modeled formula. Show us the image of Charon's Pluto-lit southern pole which you claim to have which proves your cold trap theory and I will go quietly into the good night, unlike Dylan Thomas. NASA's theory is possible, I'd just like to see the proof? |
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My ode to NASA
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Here then is my struggle,
the essence of my plight!
The tholin of Mordor, is it snow
a crater, an impact site?
To my eyes, Charon's south pole
is blocked by darkness of night
While you announce and proclaim
Pluto has shared some reflected light
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed
not a scientist not even all that bright
So expose your greater vision
Please help me open my sight
Divulge it then and reveal to us
Charon's dark pole with delight
That I should be done with this task
bringing to an end, this good fight
My resolve is to repose myself
going quietly into the night
if you will but do this one thing
that which is proper and right
Reveal your concrete evidence
the proof you hold so tight
That I may bid you adieu, au revoir, farewell
Terminating for me, the labor of this site
By
an admiring fan
NASA, if there is evidence of visible tholin on the south pole of Charon then show it to us.
Why would you possibly not reveal this image?
Unless of course you don't have it.
Update January 19th 2017
Well blow me down, NASA released their image of Charon displayed in Pluto shine. I don't want to be disrespectful but this image as "PROOF" there is tholin on the south pole makes me chuckle. This is a bit on the absurd or ridiculous side, don't you think?
Here's their proof.
Here's the link to NASA's page describing this image as Pluto shine.
Did you notice how the image came out 4 months after they used this as "proof" of tholin on the south pole.
On the NASA page where this image is released, there is absolutely no mention of this as "proof" of the red tholin on the south pole (I wonder why) as they claimed it showed back on September 14th. Four months ago they claimed this image proved the south pole had tholin on it similar to what we see on the north pole and this was proof that Pluto is spray painting Charon like a graffiti artist.
Why would you possibly not reveal this image?
Unless of course you don't have it.
Update January 19th 2017
Well blow me down, NASA released their image of Charon displayed in Pluto shine. I don't want to be disrespectful but this image as "PROOF" there is tholin on the south pole makes me chuckle. This is a bit on the absurd or ridiculous side, don't you think?
Here's their proof.
Here's the link to NASA's page describing this image as Pluto shine.
Did you notice how the image came out 4 months after they used this as "proof" of tholin on the south pole.
On the NASA page where this image is released, there is absolutely no mention of this as "proof" of the red tholin on the south pole (I wonder why) as they claimed it showed back on September 14th. Four months ago they claimed this image proved the south pole had tholin on it similar to what we see on the north pole and this was proof that Pluto is spray painting Charon like a graffiti artist.
